English (Guide) How to use enriched elunium and enriched oridecon

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  1. Jenny

    Jenny Administrator Staff Member

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    Information:

    [ Attention! ]

    • Enriched Elunium and Enriched Oridecon do not increase a success chance to 100%. Your items can still break.
    • A second try (re-roll) is automatically calculated and will not be shown visually!

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    You can find NPC Suhnbi in the Payon, (174,138)

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  2. Alfort Tan

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    did the Enriched Oridecon can be use by whitesmith weapon refine?
     
  3. Jenny

    Jenny Administrator Staff Member

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    Only trough NPC
     
  4. Inkfish

    Inkfish Active Member

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    this guide is wrong or incomplete. at first i thought i got 1 chance to fail every upgrade lvl on the other hand i also thought during the process I have 1 chance of fail, i was so confident at my proxy coz it never failed before but look what shundi did. 1st attemp.
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  5. Jenny

    Jenny Administrator Staff Member

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    You get a second try. This tries twice at the same time, effectively giving you a re-roll on your attempt.
    It is not seen visually.
     
  6. Nurkz

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    Code:
      if( getequippercentrefinery(.@part) > rand(100) %OR% getequippercentrefinery(.@part) > rand(100) )
       { // CHECKED RANDOM SUMMS 2 TIMES
         mes "[Suhnbi]";
         mes "Clink! Clank! Clunk!";
         SuccessRefItem .@part;
         next;
         Emotion e_no1;
         mes "[Suhnbi]";
         mes "Here you are! It's done.";
         mes "It's been a while since I've made such a fine weapon. You must be happy because it has become stronger!";
         close;
       }
    
    ^ this is Enriched Elunium refiner

    Code:
        if( getequippercentrefinery(.@part) <= rand(100) )
         { // CHECKED RANDOM SUMMS 1 TIME
           failedrefitem .@part;
           mes "[" + getarg(0) + "]";
           emotion (!rand(5))?e_cash:e_omg;
           set .@lose,rand(1,3);
           if (.@lose == 1) {
             mes "OH! MY GOD!";
             mes "Damn it! Not again!";
             mes "I'm terribly sorry, but you know practice does make perfect.";
             mes "Um, right? Heh heh...";
           } else if(.@lose == 2) {
             mes "Nooooooo!";
             mes "It broke!";
             mes "I-I'm sorry!";
           } else {
             mes "Crap!";
             mes "It couldn't take";
             mes "much more tempering!";
             mes "Sorry about this...";
           }
           close;
         }
    
     
  7. Inkfish

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    [​IMG]

    Again.even worst jsut +4 no-reroll
     
  8. Narsha

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    you just failed both rolls
     
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  9. alcadeias

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    *** RENEWAL LINKS ***

    This is how its supposed to work. Not like Bubblegum. Money making at its best.
     
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  10. Dark Fate

    Dark Fate Game Master Staff Member

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  11. Hawkey3s

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    According to http://irowiki.org/classic/Refinement_System

    enriched metal suppose to increase the success rate.

    but according to Jenny "The success percentage is not "increased" however, if it fails....."

    So basically, from +4 to +5 it does refine at 60% twice if the first one fail.
    In a normal case it would just do 90% once

    Can we have another NPC that does it the normal way too?
     
  12. CenturyChild

    CenturyChild Active Member

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    hello, mathematics.
    twice 60% is never 90% or 120% or whatever. its twice 60%. it tends to be but will never be even 60,1%.

    we have ~this system. they just put in that table an average(???) percentage.
     
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  13. Hawkey3s

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    I've never said twice is 90% or 120% or whatever.
    Twice of 60% is 60% twice independent from each other.

    I was just showing how normal enriched elu should work.
    So, maybe they can give us option to use the enriched elu both the normal way and their custom way.
     
  14. CenturyChild

    CenturyChild Active Member

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    90% >>>>>>> twice 60%.
    your post is like: "i want the chances to be increased".

    did you know that even in kro / iro enriched stones give you two chances?

    то, о чем я и говорил:
    не давайте ссылки на оф механику. лучше просто пишите то, как у вас есть.
    желательно с верным описанием ключевых предметов (bubble gum, например).
     
  15. Dark Fate

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    You can check Full Script if you need: http://pastebin.com/nQBEXHVt
    In the script is written, that is a iRO version.

    I'm not sure how it works.
    The information in the first post copied from the script.
    On iROwiki written a little differently, but in any case it is necessary to test.
     
  16. Dark Fate

    Dark Fate Game Master Staff Member

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    Я не давал ссылок на офф механику, я лишь поправил другого игрока, который дал ссылку на RENEWAL iRO wiki. Это уж точно не правильно.
    В 1 посту все написано как у нас работает.
     
  17. Dark Fate

    Dark Fate Game Master Staff Member

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    Table from iROwiki - a chance not increased. where you saw a chance to increase?
    We do not use premium (subscription) servers, where your chance can be improved.

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  18. Dark Fate

    Dark Fate Game Master Staff Member

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    1st post has been updated
     
  19. Olek

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    If any one will be interested in probablity theory i calculated that upgrading items using enriched elunium or oridecon give us 36% chance when we are upgrading our item from +8 to +9. than mean 16% more than normal upgrading (6% more than WS weapon upgrade).

    P.S. if sb want to know even more

    'double 100%' mean 10000 combinations
    'if $i <= 20 or $i2 <= 20 then' mean 3600 combinations = 36%
     
  20. Hawkey3s

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    It's rather simple.
    Enriched elu and ori basically refine your equipment twice.

    So the success rate is 100% - fail rate.
    You have to fail twice in order for you to completely fail.
    For example, +8 to +9 = 20%
    fail rate = probability of failing twice = 0.8 * 0.8 = 0.64%

    So your success rate would be 100% - 64% = 36%

    Here's the list for armor
    +4 -> +5 = 1 - (0.4 * 0.4) = 1 - 0.16 = 0.84 * 100% = 84%
    +5 -> +6
    = 1 - (0.6 * 0.6) = 1 - 0.36 = 0.64 * 100% = 64%
    +6 -> +7 = 1 - (0.6 * 0.6) = 1 - 0.36 = 0.64 * 100% = 64%
    +7 -> +8 = 1 - (0.8 * 0.8) = 1 - 0.64 = 0.36 * 100% = 36%
    +8 -> +9 = 1 - (0.8 * 0.8) = 1 - 0.64 = 0.36* 100% = 36%
    +9 -> +10 = 1 - (0.9 * 0.9) = 1 - 0.81 = 0.19 * 100% = 19%

    *Note that the percentages above are the probabilities that you'll success, not the actual one time success rate
     
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